2009-03-03 05:00 pm (UTC)
I thought he lived in Minnesota?
2009-03-03 05:00 pm (UTC)
Did he move recently?
Because I've seen Tucson mentioned repeatedly in Google searches, by Shetterly and others, as his city of residence.
I'm pretty sure they left MN a long while ago, to move to LA for a TV writing gig. But I also recall Tucson coming up a few times recently, and Emma's page (linked from the Shadow Unit site) says they're now in Tucson.
I'll spit in his face for using the word "hypocrite" so many times.
The irony of a self-proclaimed Working Class Hero who is actually a trust-fund baby who went to Choate and Reed calling other people "hypocrites" is mind-boggling.
Well I get to deal with him in close quarters in April, so either he gets a clue, or this won't be a fun couple of panels. I'm not good at not telling someone when they say somethout out of order, I'm really not.
2009-03-03 05:09 pm (UTC)
....so either he gets a clue, or this won't be a fun couple of panels.
He's not going to get a clue.
Practice ahead of time, it helps. Even if you feel silly talking to the wall, it helps.
Here's the thing: if he says some bullshit and you call him on it, other people in the room will learn something. Even if he doesn't/can't.
That's a very good point.
His friends claim he is totally different offline -- so I'll be interested to hear from somebody who isn't his friend, who is dealing with him offline!
Also: good luck!
Thanks for the info and the good wishes. :)
I'm going to be trying really really hard not to get kicked out of my favorite con for spitting on him or otherwise eing hostile in a couple months.
2009-03-03 08:05 pm (UTC)
Wait until the last day, it'd be totally worth it.
2009-03-04 12:50 am (UTC)
Holy fricking hell, they went John Galt?
What we've been mocking Instapundit and all those other conservatarian morons for threatening to do for months, they actually went and did it?
And didn't think through the consequences - ie, if you're going to *choose* to be poor, well, there are a lot of negatives to it which is why those of us who DON'T choose to be poor are generally pretty ill-tempered and tetchy about a lot of things that the bourgie take for granted - and now are all upset about it?
This is like someone getting out of a car in a huff because they've started a fight with the friend who was driving and insisting on being left in the middle of nowhere - and then freaking out because they now have to walk ten miles to get to a pay phone and blaming it on the friend they insisted leave them by the road. It's that level of stoopit.
And yeah, well, good luck with maintaining *just enough* money to pay ye olde rent - but not enough to be making too much for WIC. I know I qualified for Section 8 - but it would take me 5 years to be considered for rent assistance, which wouldn't be a guarantee anyways, there's that long of a wait list - and STILL was making too much to get food stamps, even if I had a kid, back before I got laid off and had to take an even worse job.
The system is NOT set up to benefit the poor, and never has been, but was made worse under Bill Clinton, and if Mr. Oh-So-Class-Conscious WS had HALF the knowledge of class warfare issues in this country that he pretends to, he likely wouldn't have jumped into his little Galt's Gulch scenario. Or at least not with the lack of preparedness of someone thinking they could just hike up Mt. Washington without checking the weather because hey, I have a cell phone! (Cell phones don't work well in our mountains. Sometimes the rangers find them before it's too late. We have started billing the survivors when found culpably reckless, pour encourager les autres.)
I guess this sort of RL-functioning FAIL is just the FAIL cherry on the FAIL sundae, but it really doesn't do anything for the reputation of SF pros as Smart Folks working in the Literature of Ideas, vs Delusional Out-of-Touch Loons living inside their own absurdist heads...
Yikes. He's really more stupid and self-absorbed than I thought.
Can't people just ignore him into oblivion? Or will that not work?
2009-03-04 06:45 am (UTC)
The problem is that while Shetterly very much deserves to be ignored, his actions can still cause harm to people -- such as, in this case, outing coffeeandink's identity in order to smear her, regardless of her oft-stated request that her fannish identity and her real name not be linked.
Shetterly is going way beyond just being an ass -- he's showing a reckless disregard for someone else's safety. You don't out someone's identity like that for no reason. It's not like coffeeandink was using a troll i.d. (like Lukas Jackson / "Igor Sanchez"), and Shetterly has no idea why exactly she was asking for anonymity.
So, sadly, ignoring him doesn't work. He's still dangerous.
Quite frankly, the only way to fight someone like this is to destroy his reputation by exposing him (honestly) as the unethical fuckhead he truly is.
I don't think anyone wanted to do that, but I can't see as how he's left any choice.
The one person who commented on that one thread "oh, he's got weird ideas about this topic and can be an ass on the internets, but he's a good friend in person"
I don't get this. We are the action we take, and malicious actions like that... well, if he'll do it to a stranger on the internet, he'll do it in real life too.
I think that sometimes the fault lies in the people who enable that behavior - if you're really friends with the person, how can you ban them from your own LJ, apologize for them in public, and then, what - go bowling with them and think they're all okay with you?
I don't know the culture of cons that he gets invited to, but with that kind of personal behavior it sure seems like the con organizers and his "friends and colleagues" need to just drop him on general principle.
This is reminding me of some kind of prequel to a bad Law and Order episode where someone fucks someone up and then everyone was like "well, he did have narcissistic and anti-social/oppositional-type disorders, but he seemed like a really nice guy when you were his friend!"
I won't even *go* to the subject of a white male with a trust fund hemming and hawing about whether or not getting to go to college and graduate debt-free is privilege or not because he was excluded from expensive activities and had to do labor every now and then for spending money.
This guy has fans? I hate the world.
img of shttrly's blog wrt taxesEdited at 2009-03-05 07:38 am (UTC)