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Will Shetterly [Mar. 3rd, 2009|09:08 am]
Update, March 8, 2009: Apology related to the language of this post is here.

I live in Tucson, and so does he. I've never met him.

But if I ever do, I'll likely spit in his fucking face. And I've never spat on anyone before in my life.

Update: Just in case you missed it, here's Shetterly equating coffeeandink with the Klan because she doesn't go by her real life name on LiveJournal.

And here's something I wrote when Tempest pondered why coffeeandink, a white ally, was targetted:

Okay, so, a friend and I were wondering why this focus on coffeeandink and not anyone else, including the two of us.

Fake allies find it easier to attack real allies.

They know enough to know that it usually looks bad to attack people of color, so whenever a white person steps up on the POC side, they become targets.

I’m not saying this to say “oh woe is poor whitey me,” but to explain this phenomenon. We’ve got people who say they’re appalled by someone like Lukas Jackson/Igor Sanchez and consider themselves “good” people — so they know enough to not directly take on the POCs (usually). But they also are privileged and stupid enough to want to attack someone.

A big part of it is that to people like Shetterly, POC don’t count, only white people. A POC espousing anti-racism is easily dismissed as a self-interested, selfish person looking out only for themselves. A white ally preaching anti-racism, though, that’s something we have to FIGHT against!


Because white people like coffeeandink show up people like Shetterly for the racists they are. They’re everything Shetterly claims to be — a good person, concerned about minorities, against racism — but they do it in a way that attacks white supremacy rather than supports it. So they’re a fucking threat that needs to be neutralized however possible, and the institutional nature of the white privilege mentality kicks into overdrive here. Shetterly doesn’t even know that’s what he’s doing, but it is.

Mind exercise: Let’s line up you [ktempest] next to Shetterly, and put you in front of a liberal white audience (the only audience that counts, of course! /sarcasm). They see a concerned-with-her-own-self black woman talking about privilege and all sorts of threatening stuff, and they see a white man speaking in terms comforting to white people and not challenging them. YOU MUST BE TEH RACEST.

Now let’s put Shetterly next to coffeeandink. Two white people, huh! And one of them is talking about racism, and one of them is defending racism. Wow, that Shetterly is a bigoted jerk!

That’s why Shetterly and his ilk go after white allies. Whites are the only people worth refuting, whites are the only audience, and white allies show faux allies to be frauds.

Update 2: Here's Shetterly explaining away his privileges as a trust fund baby:

At Choate, I dunno what I was–my basic expenses were covered, but not much else, so when the rich kids went off to do rich kid things, I stayed on campus. During college, there were spells when I washed dishes at HoJo’s for spending money–again, the trust fund only covered education. For most of those three years, by living cheaply, I got through without having to work–my enormous privilege was that I didn’t have any student debt when I graduated.

Update 3: And of course, Shetterly whining about not getting immediate access to food stamps and free health care isn't really about the gap between rich and poor, it's him trying to distract everyone from calling him things like "trust fund baby" and to establish his "poor person creds."

Of course, you might wonder why two rather employable, semi-famous authors need food stamps instead of one or the other of them going out to get a job, but even that's a distraction, really. I mean, the truth is that if Shetterly were really as destitute as he's claiming to be, he probably would have already been on AHCCCS and food stamps for some time now. Much of Tucson is, actually.

Update 4: Apparently Shetterly and Bull keep themselves poor on purpose so that they don't have to pay taxes.

And then they get upset.

When they can't free services.

From the government.

Which is supported by taxes.

Look, I'm not a libertarian or anything, and I don't begrudge people who are poor and use services but don't pay taxes due to low income. However, having the privilege to DELIBERATELY CHOOSE to be poor and then WHINING that your government benefits are slow in coming because there are too many poor people? What the fuck is that?

Update 5, March 8, 2009: No, I'm not really going to spit on Shetterly. Sheesh.

[User Picture]From: jkahane
2009-03-03 04:13 pm (UTC)
Out of curiosity, why?
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[User Picture]From: kynn
2009-03-03 05:00 pm (UTC)
Read the links. They go to stuff like this.
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[User Picture]From: nihilistic_kid
2009-03-03 04:17 pm (UTC)
I thought he lived in Minnesota?
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[User Picture]From: kynn
2009-03-03 05:00 pm (UTC)
Did he move recently?

Because I've seen Tucson mentioned repeatedly in Google searches, by Shetterly and others, as his city of residence.
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[User Picture]From: yendi
2009-03-03 05:18 pm (UTC)
I'm pretty sure they left MN a long while ago, to move to LA for a TV writing gig. But I also recall Tucson coming up a few times recently, and Emma's page (linked from the Shadow Unit site) says they're now in Tucson.
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[User Picture]From: jenlight
2009-03-03 04:37 pm (UTC)
I'll spit in his face for using the word "hypocrite" so many times.
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[User Picture]From: icecreamempress
2009-03-03 05:22 pm (UTC)
The irony of a self-proclaimed Working Class Hero who is actually a trust-fund baby who went to Choate and Reed calling other people "hypocrites" is mind-boggling.
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[User Picture]From: moondancerdrake
2009-03-03 04:38 pm (UTC)
Well I get to deal with him in close quarters in April, so either he gets a clue, or this won't be a fun couple of panels. I'm not good at not telling someone when they say somethout out of order, I'm really not.
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[User Picture]From: kynn
2009-03-03 05:09 pm (UTC)
....so either he gets a clue, or this won't be a fun couple of panels.

He's not going to get a clue.
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From: vito_excalibur
2009-03-03 05:28 pm (UTC)
Practice ahead of time, it helps. Even if you feel silly talking to the wall, it helps.
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[User Picture]From: icecreamempress
2009-03-03 06:04 pm (UTC)
Here's the thing: if he says some bullshit and you call him on it, other people in the room will learn something. Even if he doesn't/can't.
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[User Picture]From: moondancerdrake
2009-03-03 06:10 pm (UTC)
That's a very good point.
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[User Picture]From: ithiliana
2009-03-03 06:43 pm (UTC)
His friends claim he is totally different offline -- so I'll be interested to hear from somebody who isn't his friend, who is dealing with him offline!

Also: good luck!
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[User Picture]From: moondancerdrake
2009-03-03 06:46 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the info and the good wishes. :)
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[User Picture]From: maevele
2009-03-03 08:04 pm (UTC)
I'm going to be trying really really hard not to get kicked out of my favorite con for spitting on him or otherwise eing hostile in a couple months.
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[User Picture]From: kynn
2009-03-03 08:05 pm (UTC)
Wait until the last day, it'd be totally worth it.
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[User Picture]From: sabotabby
2009-03-03 10:00 pm (UTC)
Christ, what an asshole.
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[User Picture]From: bellatrys
2009-03-04 12:50 am (UTC)

Holy fricking hell, they went John Galt?

What we've been mocking Instapundit and all those other conservatarian morons for threatening to do for months, they actually went and did it?

And didn't think through the consequences - ie, if you're going to *choose* to be poor, well, there are a lot of negatives to it which is why those of us who DON'T choose to be poor are generally pretty ill-tempered and tetchy about a lot of things that the bourgie take for granted - and now are all upset about it?

This is like someone getting out of a car in a huff because they've started a fight with the friend who was driving and insisting on being left in the middle of nowhere - and then freaking out because they now have to walk ten miles to get to a pay phone and blaming it on the friend they insisted leave them by the road. It's that level of stoopit.

And yeah, well, good luck with maintaining *just enough* money to pay ye olde rent - but not enough to be making too much for WIC. I know I qualified for Section 8 - but it would take me 5 years to be considered for rent assistance, which wouldn't be a guarantee anyways, there's that long of a wait list - and STILL was making too much to get food stamps, even if I had a kid, back before I got laid off and had to take an even worse job.

The system is NOT set up to benefit the poor, and never has been, but was made worse under Bill Clinton, and if Mr. Oh-So-Class-Conscious WS had HALF the knowledge of class warfare issues in this country that he pretends to, he likely wouldn't have jumped into his little Galt's Gulch scenario. Or at least not with the lack of preparedness of someone thinking they could just hike up Mt. Washington without checking the weather because hey, I have a cell phone! (Cell phones don't work well in our mountains. Sometimes the rangers find them before it's too late. We have started billing the survivors when found culpably reckless, pour encourager les autres.)

I guess this sort of RL-functioning FAIL is just the FAIL cherry on the FAIL sundae, but it really doesn't do anything for the reputation of SF pros as Smart Folks working in the Literature of Ideas, vs Delusional Out-of-Touch Loons living inside their own absurdist heads...
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[User Picture]From: pheret1
2009-03-04 06:37 am (UTC)
Yikes. He's really more stupid and self-absorbed than I thought.

Can't people just ignore him into oblivion? Or will that not work?

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[User Picture]From: kynn
2009-03-04 06:45 am (UTC)
The problem is that while Shetterly very much deserves to be ignored, his actions can still cause harm to people -- such as, in this case, outing coffeeandink's identity in order to smear her, regardless of her oft-stated request that her fannish identity and her real name not be linked.

Shetterly is going way beyond just being an ass -- he's showing a reckless disregard for someone else's safety. You don't out someone's identity like that for no reason. It's not like coffeeandink was using a troll i.d. (like Lukas Jackson / "Igor Sanchez"), and Shetterly has no idea why exactly she was asking for anonymity.

So, sadly, ignoring him doesn't work. He's still dangerous.

Quite frankly, the only way to fight someone like this is to destroy his reputation by exposing him (honestly) as the unethical fuckhead he truly is.

I don't think anyone wanted to do that, but I can't see as how he's left any choice.
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[User Picture]From: pheret1
2009-03-04 06:57 am (UTC)
The one person who commented on that one thread "oh, he's got weird ideas about this topic and can be an ass on the internets, but he's a good friend in person"

I don't get this. We are the action we take, and malicious actions like that... well, if he'll do it to a stranger on the internet, he'll do it in real life too.

I think that sometimes the fault lies in the people who enable that behavior - if you're really friends with the person, how can you ban them from your own LJ, apologize for them in public, and then, what - go bowling with them and think they're all okay with you?

I don't know the culture of cons that he gets invited to, but with that kind of personal behavior it sure seems like the con organizers and his "friends and colleagues" need to just drop him on general principle.

This is reminding me of some kind of prequel to a bad Law and Order episode where someone fucks someone up and then everyone was like "well, he did have narcissistic and anti-social/oppositional-type disorders, but he seemed like a really nice guy when you were his friend!"

I won't even *go* to the subject of a white male with a trust fund hemming and hawing about whether or not getting to go to college and graduate debt-free is privilege or not because he was excluded from expensive activities and had to do labor every now and then for spending money.

This guy has fans? I hate the world.
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[User Picture]From: stoneself
2009-03-05 07:38 am (UTC)

img of shttrly's blog wrt taxes

Edited at 2009-03-05 07:38 am (UTC)
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