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Miscarriage in Fiction [Jun. 3rd, 2008|01:56 pm]
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This webcomic Ctrl+Alt+Delete -- which I don't read, I just followed a link from [info]divalea's journal -- just had the major characters suffer a miscarriage and loss of pregnancy.

The webcomic's creator wrote a long text post about this particular comic, and why he chose to have the miscarriage take place:

If a baby was introduced to the strip, Ctrl+Alt+Del would not suddenly convert into a parenting comic strip, with changing diapers every other strip, etc. This is a comic, and I don't need to show every mundane detail of these characters' lives. They are rarely seen eating, and I've never shown them going to the bathroom. Do you think that they just never shit? Of course not. It's just naturally assumed that some everyday stuff goes on around whatever is shown in the comic. Same thing with a baby (Yes, I'm comparing parenting to shitting. Can you tell I'm not a Dad?). There would of course be some baby-centric storylines now and then, but nothing says it has to take over the whole strip.

Becoming a parent changes people, without a doubt. But it doesn't necessarily change people into responsible, uptight working stiffs with no sense of humor. Especially in comicstripland. If Ethan became a father, there would be some changes, some forced growth. But he'd still be Ethan.

Here's one I think I heard mentioned a while back, and that I anticipate being mentioned: "Tim will never do a miscarriage because then the comic strip will become all sad and depressing".

Again, I disagree. A miscarriage is definitely not a joke, and I have no intention of making light of it. And it can be a tough and emotional thing for couples to go through, speaking from personal experience. And I know that it's often much harder on the woman than on the man. However, I also know that it doesn't necessarily turn you into a sad, depressed sack of tears for the rest of your life. People can move past it, and heal.

This falls in with what I was just saying above. Yes, a miscarriage is a very sad occurance. But nothing dictates that I now need to follow Ethan and Lilah through every second of their sad emotions, putting us right in the middle of it where, yes, it would be a bit depressing. There are a number of supporting characters in the strip through which I can tell the story, or I could break away completely with some one-shots and come back to join the characters post-ground-zero, when the pain isn't so fresh, to show how they handle it.

Now I'm sure some of you are wondering what my motivations were for this particular story path.

As I've said in the past, the grand plan for the comic and its characters has been written for years. I knew that (and how) Ethan was going to propose to Lilah when I introduced her into the comic. I knew when he proposed that shortly before the wedding Lilah was going to get pregnant and then miscarry, and I had to wait two years to write it. I know what happens next, and I know how they handle it. I know what happens even further down the line. I know what Scott is doing in his room. I know who moves out and when. I know who dies and who doesn't die. And I know that, through all of it, Ethan is still Ethan, Lilah is still Lilah, and Lucas is still Lucas, and they are all still gamers.

And more importantly, I know that I have a storyline that can keep the comic going for a long, long time, and most importantly, keep me anxious to write the next part for you. Because for me, there needs to be more there than just playing games. The characters and their lives need to be interesting enough that I want to keep writing about them while they play the games.

So in part, this just serves to set up the next part of the story. On a base level, it's just a good twist. Conflict makes for interesting story.

On a deeper level, I really have a desire to stress test Ethan and Lilah's relationship, to see if there is really something there that would keep them together despite Ethan's antics, and I decided that this was the best way to go about it. I know from personal experience what it can do to a relationship. Some many years ago, long before I started the comic, I was in a relationship and we suffered a miscarriage. Now, this relationship was toxic to begin with and doomed to fail regardless, so that the miscarriage was the straw that broke the camel's back came as no surprise. It was a pregnancy neither of us wanted in the first place, so the event didn't effect me nearly as much as it would, say, a couple who was trying for a child. Still, I saw the emotions it can bring up first hand, and I saw how it could truly hurt someone. It's a tough thing to handle because it's nobody's fault. There's nobody you can blame.

It can cause a rift in a relationship without someone having to be the "bad guy", as in infidelity or lying. And I wanted to see if and how Ethan and Lilah's relationship could weather it.

And also... I wanted to see if I could write it. If I could pull it off. Call it creative curiosity, I guess.


I realize that to some degree, he is writing about his own experience with miscarriage. (And I myself have never been in a relationship that's gone through that, although I have several friends who have similar, or had a very young child die.)

But I do have concerns about the way such things are used in fictional settings in general, this being the latest example -- I worry especially about male writers who jump to miscarriage (or spousal abuse or rape or any other event which happens primarily to the female character) as an "easy" way to build drama and stretch their characters, by whom they invariably mean the male character much more than the female character.

Note that in the C+A+D comic itself, the miscarriage is shown only -- so far -- from the perspective of the male character. It's an event which happens to him according to the comic; we don't know what she went through. Maybe the next strip will follow up on this; maybe not.

The small amount of relief that I felt when I saw the comic creator had his own experience with miscarriage was pretty much dashed by these sentences:

Now, this relationship was toxic to begin with and doomed to fail regardless, so that the miscarriage was the straw that broke the camel's back came as no surprise. It was a pregnancy neither of us wanted in the first place, so the event didn't effect me nearly as much as it would, say, a couple who was trying for a child.


That doesn't give me hope for a tasteful handling of this issue, really. I don't follow Ctrl+Alt+Del, though, so my interest here is mainly about the broader issues of portraying miscarriage and other female-centric tragedies in fictional settings -- comics, web comics, roleplaying games, and so on.

How do you think such issues are best handled, and in what way? To what extent does the gender of the writer matter? Does the focus of the story (e.g. "I was raped" vs "my girlfriend was raped"; "I had a miscarriage" vs "she had a miscarriage") affect how you'd view such a story?

What roles do the medium and genre play? (E.g., is there a difference between a miscarriage roleplayed out in Dogs in the Vineyard and a miscarriage in D&D? Between a rape in Sandman and a rape in Justice League?) When have you seen such issues handled tastefully, and when have you seen them grossly mishandled?


Note: No one, least of all me, is saying "never ever write about miscarriage" or even "men shouldn't write about miscarriage."


Update: As I alluded to but didn't say above, I think this also relates to the whole "rape Sue Dibny" storyline that played out in Identity Crisis at DC Comics. It's the same kind of thing.


Other blogged reactions:

Jeff and Sam + 2 little ones -- "Loss": Long ago, in a previous life, my wife and I had what I call a mini-miscarriage.
[info]irocker -- "WTFISH": TIM, YOU SUCK.
[info]wunderkind -- "DURRRRRRRRRRRR~: Why did he do that! I wanted to see the baby grow. Now it's all depressing and makes me want to hang myself.
[info]raggedy_man -- Gosh, that was both suprising and moving: Personally I'm impressed. Saddened, actually upset for the characters, but impressed that the writer was willing to handle a topic like that. Especially as its something so personal.
The Mac Resistance -- "Today's Ctrl+Alt+Del Comic: My first reaction was, “Does he have kids? A wife? Has he been through this?” I have, and it’s something I almost never talk about.
Greg Awarski -- "It takes courage and a willingess to reach out...": Tim Asbath. You write a great comic. [..] I'm not sure if that'll mean anything to you, but what it means, coming from me, is that you have proven that you know the difference between writing a good comic, and writing a phenomenal story.
[info]scans_daily -- "Today's Ctrl+Alt+Del: Have a hanky ready, this one’s heartbreaking":
Four images, no words, none needed.
-- but lots of comments to read from s_d folks!
Get Off The Internet -- "Have a hanky ready, this one’s heartbreaking": Double-plus-good if the lead protagonist is male and doesn’t actually suffer anything at all, and drinks all around if that same male protagonist is the stand-in for the strip’s creator! It’s like Munchausen-by-Proxy Syndrome with an extra protective layer of “I’m just trying to tell a dramatic story” pretentiousness. (follows up on the [info]scans_daily post)
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[User Picture]From: [info]firni
2008-06-03 10:01 pm (UTC)

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As I don't read either comic, I'm confused as to why there's "no love lost" between the writers of C+A+D and PvP.
[User Picture]From: [info]artlung
2008-06-03 10:12 pm (UTC)

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I'll pipe in with a very narrow answer to the "how do you handle..."

Tricky issues (such as miscarriage, rape, abuse) are best handled carefully I expect. I don't put much stock in any point of view that says that a writer cannot write about anything they have not experienced. From what I've seen of good writing, it's accomplished by those who have great powers of observation, a reasonable amount of empathy, a good dose of maturity, and the ability to communicate.

In a webcomic I was under the impression was about gamers wisecracking (I do not read this comic), the tonal shift is pretty brave and/or foolhardy and/or stupid.

You do say "It's an event which happens to him according to the comic; we don't know what she went through." -- it looks to me like we see it from his POV, but we can see in the last panel her crying and anguished, I think we can see that much. It appears to be well handled from the four panels I see, but I'm not seeing this as a regular reader, I'm just dropping in.
[User Picture]From: [info]rfrancis
2008-06-03 11:17 pm (UTC)

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I don't take this as a case of a woman in a fridge, but then, I don't read CTRL-ALT-DEL these days so that's just my gut reaction.

I think miscarriage is one of those topics that is fraught with peril. I have some personal reactions to it that I won't share here. I will say that I objected strenuously to the idea of its use to end a pregnancy plot on Pern, and the person who wanted to use it was female, so go figure. My objections were, though, as I say, personal.

Carrying out anything traumatic in what is mostly a jokey gaming strip is, getting back to the case at hand, pretty dicey, but on the other hand I wouldn't be the one to tell him he should get back to the nerd humor mines *whip crack*. Bottom line: I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. This is something he wants to write about and presumably, as much as he plans ahead, he has something actually to say more than "drr uhh out of ideas for drama let's stick someone's wife in the oven."

[User Picture]From: [info]shandra
2008-06-03 11:35 pm (UTC)

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God I hope that wasn't me.
[User Picture]From: [info]rfrancis
2008-06-03 11:41 pm (UTC)

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It wasn't, and at any rate I didn't mean my mention of it as a slap against the person who it was, who is a fine person and who acquiesced gracefully (more or less) to my outright refusal.
[User Picture]From: [info]shandra
2008-06-03 11:21 pm (UTC)

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As a writer, I think people can write about whatever they want. I have no trouble with a male writer handling female issues.

What I look for though is a writer that handles them well. The fact that this writer has to TELL everyone what he's going to do with it rather than just do it doesn't impress me that much. Put it on the page, or put it up. I know that many webcomics do this. Most totally suffer for it.

As an 8-miscarriage, one infant loss veteran I can say that whether I want to read a plotline like that depends on the day. And bad writing on this topic is something that I really will not read. However, I appreciate people who handle these issues with complexity.

This really doesn't sound like that at all, though. If it's just a plot device to stress the relationship, he's making a very basic, very beginning writer mistake - assuming that non-tragic stresses can't be understood by the reader.

People can have relationship stress without having to use a sensitive issue (rape, trauma) as the reason. If you're going to use a bigtime issue - death - you should be wanting to handle that particular issue. Otherwise you're using a crowbar where a key would respect your audience more.
[User Picture]From: [info]rfrancis
2008-06-03 11:42 pm (UTC)

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Yeah, that's well said. Trauma for drama's sake -- it's one short step from the fridge.
[User Picture]From: [info]sabotabby
2008-06-04 02:19 am (UTC)

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I don't read C+A+D, but here's my take.

Fiction writers get all sorts of things wrong, of course, but there are a few things that are really bad to get wrong. Rape is the probably the most common. You'll lose a hell of a lot of readers, including me, if your female character is motivated to do something because she was raped. (I'm staring hard at you, Robert Sawyer.)

If I'm trying to write something serious and I do something traumatic to my characters, I research the hell out of it or shamelessly rip it from the headlines. I do that a lot with torture but unfortunately is not hard to do these days.
[User Picture]From: [info]kittikattie
2008-06-04 07:11 am (UTC)

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Well, considering the writer's a known jerk...

The writing's bad. The miscarriage seems throwed in as a "let's get rid of the baby" deal. He said he'd planned this for 2 years--and he STILL FUCKED IT UP. What was that?

Also... *puts on med knowledge hat* what he said happened is like, almost so not often as to be not often. He fucked up Hemolytic_disease_of_the_newborn. Basically, what he said is right--that the woman's blood type (which would have to be Rh negative) can and does attack a fetal blood type. If she's had a positive blood pregnancy before. That part's important. The woman gets antibodies from the first pregnancy and the later ones are the ones that get attacked and need the shot to suppress. Unless the woman character has some abortion or previous miscarriage or random kid floating around she hasn't told anyone about, this is medically unsound in a lot of ways.
[User Picture]From: [info]ninjacandy
2008-06-09 11:59 am (UTC)

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Ditto.
[User Picture]From: [info]philippos42
2008-06-05 05:57 am (UTC)

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Let me put my two cents in. I have had a hypothetical idea in mind for a long time, as part of a plan for how I would write a well-known corporate-owned character, in which that character would suffer a miscarriage the first time she was pregnant. This would serve long-term story purposes; first as a way to precipitate her breakup from the child's father; & later to justify her changing her level of activity in her dangerous avocation of "fighting crime" as these superheroes do, the next time she was pregnant. It was also a story idea in itself, a way to put pathos in the strip without killing off any more of her supporting cast.

The idea of using death or miscarriage as a story element, whether as a prelude to a later pregnancy, or just as a tragedy in itself, makes perfect sense to me. There is a larger picture.
[User Picture]From: [info]kynn
2008-06-05 02:08 pm (UTC)

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"Pathos."

Why do you think this is a good idea for a superhero comic book?

I don't get the point of your comment. Your two cents seems to be "I want to do the same thing, but when I do it, it would be awesome!"
[User Picture]From: [info]philippos42
2008-06-05 09:50 pm (UTC)

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Um, no, I have no objection to doing it in the first place. I grew up on Spider-Man & the Incredible Hulk, which have a certain amount of pathos as part of the approach. Ever see the issue where Peter Parker loses his first serious girlfriend to another man? Or the Hulk stories with Jarella? I was exposed to these at a young age, & while I appreciate the idea of the optimistic hero in an optimistic world, a little tragedy is traditionally part of the mix, going back to the earliest Superman, Batman, & Shadow stories.

Now, if a given company refused to let me do it to one of their characters, that's fine, & a legitimate call.

But for someone doing a webcomic to do it in his own strip to his own characters, that's perfectly fine. One of the truly great things about webcomics is that they are free from the censorship that keeps anything the least bit controversial out of newspaper strips.
[User Picture]From: [info]kynn
2008-06-06 02:00 pm (UTC)

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Who are you and why are you not reading anything at all that was written in this thread?

No, seriously, I don't know who you are, and I can't understand why you're coming in spouting inanities -- and equating the miscarriage of a wanted child to Peter Parker breaking up with his girlfriend.

Is anyone here doubting the ability of someone to write about "controversial" topics in his own webcomic? No, and nobody in this thread called for any sort of censorship either.

This topic isn't about whether you or the Ctrl+Alt+Del guy has the right to handle sensitive topics insensitively in order to build "pathos" and add, in your terms, "a little tragedy." This is about whether it's done (by male creators) in a fucked-up method which treats women, their bodies, and the female POV as mere plot contrivances in order to "challenge" their shallow self-insertion male characters.
[User Picture]From: [info]philippos42
2008-06-06 10:04 pm (UTC)

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OK, I'm sorry, I responded when I was only partway through the original post, & came off a total fool. I really should have just posted this in my own LJ rather than as a "response" here.

Mea culpa. My fault.

And for the record, I always intended Wonder Woman's miscarriage (since that's who it was going to be) to be from her point of view, since it would be in her book.

But I also have no objection to writing about a male character's perception of his child being miscarried, even if that's the only perspective written about. There is utility even in that, & I'm sorry you don't see that.
[User Picture]From: [info]kynn
2008-06-06 11:37 pm (UTC)

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I don't even know who you'd be breaking Wonder Woman up with to begin with, by throwing in a gratuitous miscarriage.

I dunno, it seems like such a ... guy thing to do. To reduce Diana to her reproductive organs as a way for getting cheap melodrama without killing anyone off.

But I also have no objection to writing about a male character's perception of his child being miscarried...

Look, dude, nobody cares what you do or don't have objections to.

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